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what is the obama administration saying about this? >> the obama administration has told the contractors it is not necessary to send outlay off notices 60 days ahead of the defense cuts as the law requires. the argument is because there is uncertainty about if the spending cuts will happen and the effect they would have. a top legal expert says that is not following the spirit of the law. >> the administration did not give the specifics required by law as to what plants would be affected and said the act is nullified because of that. the whole purpose of the act is to give workers forewarning and that is what is missing here. if things don't go well, these workers will go over the cliff in the game of chicken. >>reporter: both the president and members of congress are on the campaign trail so the earliest this can be worked out is after the election when the pressure will be on. >>trace: and the clock ticks. some republican lawmakers are not too thrilled the way this is handles. >>reporter: that is right. the administration has told th
what is the obama administration saying about this? >> the obama administration has told the contractors it is not necessary to send outlay off notices 60 days ahead of the defense cuts as the law requires. the argument is because there is uncertainty about if the spending cuts will happen and the effect they would have. a top legal expert says that is not following the spirit of the law. >> the administration did not give the specifics required by law as to what plants would be...
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the obama administration faced questions about whether it was appropriate for president obama to campaign the day after he found out that terrorists had just killed our ambassador in libya. >>> plus, we're hearing some eye-opening abcs of murder for hire as a teacher is secretly tape recorded allegedly trying to hire a hitman to kill a former coworker. wait until you hear what the dispute was over, and we'll talk about the questions about this recording and whether it could make or break this case. energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy development comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self-contained well systems. and, using state-of-the-art monitoring technologies, rigorous practices help ensure our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment. we're america's natural gas. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all
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there is a narrow lead for president obama. so romney needs to make the case affirmatively for his program and why it's better than the president's. this is not just a referendum. this was the romney theory going in. he needs to prove that he's a better choice for the next four years. >> people are still persuadable. 15% is a pretty big number. if you look at undecided voters in most polls it's around 6%. but rich is right. people will pay attention to this and they will look for something maybe to make them change their minds for people who aren't completely thrilled about their choice which actually i think in both parties it's most people. most people aren't that excited about their choice. but it's mostly the independent voters they will have to focus on. bill: you make the case this debate is really for them. the persuadables. >> it's not just for them. it's for those in certain states. it's great that we can talk about the race, what's happening nationally. but what matters is what's happening in battle ground states. and
there is a narrow lead for president obama. so romney needs to make the case affirmatively for his program and why it's better than the president's. this is not just a referendum. this was the romney theory going in. he needs to prove that he's a better choice for the next four years. >> people are still persuadable. 15% is a pretty big number. if you look at undecided voters in most polls it's around 6%. but rich is right. people will pay attention to this and they will look for...
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it made its point and barak obama just let it pass. he didn't do anything to resist it. >> bret: how is the obama campaign going to bounce back or planning on bouncing back here? >> i think they're planning on doing a better job next time. and in terms of chris christie was saying this could change the entire narrative, that's an overstatement. one debate is not going to change the entire narrative. it keeps the race going. i think that a lot of people going in thought that romney was sort of on the ropes and a lot of obama supporters wanted a knockout punch and they didn't get it. but the next debate is a town hall format, which is going to i think, be good for the president and he's somebody who has some sort of psychological issue where he has to always be behind. so did he this with hillary and mccain of the he always has to be behind. i would expect he'll come back the next time probably a lot stronger. >> bret: dr. charles krauthammer, any comments? >> i'm still licensed, but i don't practice on the air. i play a physician on the
it made its point and barak obama just let it pass. he didn't do anything to resist it. >> bret: how is the obama campaign going to bounce back or planning on bouncing back here? >> i think they're planning on doing a better job next time. and in terms of chris christie was saying this could change the entire narrative, that's an overstatement. one debate is not going to change the entire narrative. it keeps the race going. i think that a lot of people going in thought that romney...
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and the obama campaign advisor turned the criticism back to mitt romney. and governor romney leaked that on the libya issue on the first day and was terribly mistake been what he said. and that's not what you want in a president of the united states. >> and democrats say now protecting american personnel going forward, harris. >> harris: you mentioned something i had not read the complexity of the issue around benghazi, the follow-up i would want to ask, well, could you just dumb is down and explain it? and steve centanni, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> harris: right now, tragedy in a place that cares for veterans and their families. police say gunman showed up at vfw ap started firing, but we're now just learning with the deadly shooting and happened again, the ultimate betrayal, a murderer in an afghan uniform turns the gun on his american counterparts. what's become a disturbing trend and a grim milestone for our troops in the war zone. stay close. ♪ you do ♪ something to me ♪ that nobody else could do ♪ pling a lone hand ♪ my life begins
and the obama campaign advisor turned the criticism back to mitt romney. and governor romney leaked that on the libya issue on the first day and was terribly mistake been what he said. and that's not what you want in a president of the united states. >> and democrats say now protecting american personnel going forward, harris. >> harris: you mentioned something i had not read the complexity of the issue around benghazi, the follow-up i would want to ask, well, could you just dumb is...
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president obama seeking to fill the treasury quickly. lauren simonetti from the fox business network. >> good morning. >> hifsh. the election weeks away now. president obama working quickly to nominate a new treasury secretary to replace timothy geithner with a mix of spending cuts and tax increases looming obama would likely pass someone with negotiating experience probably someone within as well. according to the wall street journal the two persons mentioned are white house chief of staff clinton blue anderson bowls. glen hubbard from the columbia schools. >> airlines making changes hair. over the past five years the airline cut smaller fees and flights shorter than 500 miles. that's kierd to go a new study by the office of inspector general of the department of transportation. another money saving strategy for the airlines and you are definitely familiar with this one. packing more passengers into bigger planes. is there any consolation for fliers out there? according to the study your flight has a greater chance of being on time and
president obama seeking to fill the treasury quickly. lauren simonetti from the fox business network. >> good morning. >> hifsh. the election weeks away now. president obama working quickly to nominate a new treasury secretary to replace timothy geithner with a mix of spending cuts and tax increases looming obama would likely pass someone with negotiating experience probably someone within as well. according to the wall street journal the two persons mentioned are white house chief...
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what the obama campaign wants, including david plouffe. of course he's happy he's not on the receiving end of this like ryan is. >> i'd like to address that i'm die srergt the issue which i don't believe i am. you're setting this up so when romney loses which seems increasingly likely you can blame the media or the pollsters because they skewed too democratic. there is a narrative being developed to try to make an excuse should romney not do well in the election. gregg: don't you think it's not only the way some journalists, the stories they pick but the way they tell the stories, and that is reflective apparently quite openly in "the new york times," and likely other publications as well as radio and television. >> who is the they? caved carr has a piece in the new york times. you're going to say i know it's the liberal new york times, about the cable news with conservative hosts and how the mainstream media means more than just the main street media or "washington post." people get information from digital media more and more so it's not
what the obama campaign wants, including david plouffe. of course he's happy he's not on the receiving end of this like ryan is. >> i'd like to address that i'm die srergt the issue which i don't believe i am. you're setting this up so when romney loses which seems increasingly likely you can blame the media or the pollsters because they skewed too democratic. there is a narrative being developed to try to make an excuse should romney not do well in the election. gregg: don't you think...
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president obama had no answer. mitt romney said president obama you talk about a few tax breaks for the oil and gas industry. you have given much more tax breaks to the alternative energy energy and you have nothing to show for it. president obama just looked at him. at the end of the day barack obama couldn't engage on substance last night. the facts aren't going to get any better between thousand and the next two debates. the alternative energy market is not going to start working in the next two weeks. the obama economic policies aren't going to be working in the effect two weeks. it wasn't about style. it's about substance and obama not being able to stand on his own record. that record is not going to change between now and the next debate. martha: thank you for being with us today. bill: president obama telling the american people there is one pledge he will always keep. >> four years ago i said i'm not a perfect man and i'm no won't be a perfect president. that's probably a promise governor romney thinks i h
president obama had no answer. mitt romney said president obama you talk about a few tax breaks for the oil and gas industry. you have given much more tax breaks to the alternative energy energy and you have nothing to show for it. president obama just looked at him. at the end of the day barack obama couldn't engage on substance last night. the facts aren't going to get any better between thousand and the next two debates. the alternative energy market is not going to start working in the next...
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in certain places though romney questioned obama and obama just looked at him, when obama said basically you get a tax cut or a tax deduction for moving jobs overseas. mitt romney said i've been in business last 25 years, i don't know what you're talking about. basically obama was vague last night. but romney came with specifics. jon: cory, you described the debate as being sort of very specific and bordering on wonky but isn't that what people are looking for right now? aren't they looking for specifics and numbers and ideas here? >> i think you're absolutely right about that. always interesting to me tv commentators and others complain how debates and political discourse is boring and turning american people off whether this is exactly the time they should pay close attention. when they do this is when they see the contrast between the two candidates standing on same stage. if you look reports come out this morning, fact checkers, "l.a. times", "wall street journal", "washington post" they're blowing holes in the presentation that governor romney presented last night. saying again, how
in certain places though romney questioned obama and obama just looked at him, when obama said basically you get a tax cut or a tax deduction for moving jobs overseas. mitt romney said i've been in business last 25 years, i don't know what you're talking about. basically obama was vague last night. but romney came with specifics. jon: cory, you described the debate as being sort of very specific and bordering on wonky but isn't that what people are looking for right now? aren't they looking for...
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voted for obama and two two voted for mccain. that's a big deal. why did mitt romney do so well. >> i respected his ability to speak to the issues and i thought he was on point and looked like he was well prepare i was very impressed. >> kathy? >> same thing. leadership. >> george? >> finally has passion . he was dry up to this point and he talked about leadership and bipartisanship. >> you are telling me the attributes and not the substance. was it how he performed. >> he was able to talk about social issues and we understand his business background but hadn't heard anything substantial and that changed my mind. i heard what i needed to hear from him. >> you are a mitt romney supporter? >> absolutely. >> how many of you had not made up your mind. everybody in the room. how many of you made up your minds. that is a lot of you and that is significant. >> later in the show we'll hear from undecided voterss and see what one moment that resonated with them the most. heather? >> thank you. the outlook of the economy was a big part of
voted for obama and two two voted for mccain. that's a big deal. why did mitt romney do so well. >> i respected his ability to speak to the issues and i thought he was on point and looked like he was well prepare i was very impressed. >> kathy? >> same thing. leadership. >> george? >> finally has passion . he was dry up to this point and he talked about leadership and bipartisanship. >> you are telling me the attributes and not the substance. was it how he...
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obama set the bar pretty low. we also 6 unemployment for those 25-55 at the lowest rate we've seen in 30 years. so the bar has been set low but i believe the country deserves a much brighter path. what we'll hear governor romney is reducing the outrageous growth and spending and frankly rolling back the regulatory price tag that this economy has been absorbing. you see an increase of about 279% in the number of major versus the bush. each of a price tag hundred million dollars a year. >> heather: i want to give you a chance to respond. president obama he is the incumbent president in this race. let's take a look at economic numbers. since president obama took office in january of 2009 the u.s. government has implemented more fiscal stimulus and monetary intervention than ever before. g.d.p. has slowed from 2.4% to 12% in 2011 and only 1.6% in first half of 2012. first three that recovery has added 6.7% to g.d.p. and unemployment stuck above 8% and as you heard nancy, 25% of americans age 25-55 still need a job. so
obama set the bar pretty low. we also 6 unemployment for those 25-55 at the lowest rate we've seen in 30 years. so the bar has been set low but i believe the country deserves a much brighter path. what we'll hear governor romney is reducing the outrageous growth and spending and frankly rolling back the regulatory price tag that this economy has been absorbing. you see an increase of about 279% in the number of major versus the bush. each of a price tag hundred million dollars a year. >>...
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obama will accept for the national debt. that was pointed out by steve croft and here is what the president had to say. >> i inherited the biggest deficit in our history. over the last four years, the deficit has gone up but 90% is a consequence of two wars that weren't paid for, as consequence of tax cuts that weren't paid for. a prescription drug plan that wasn't paid for and worst economic crisis since the great depression. that accounts for 10% for the increase in the deficit. >> we asked editor james free man to run the numbers. so let's take these one by one. did president obama inherit the biggest deficit in american history? >> it wasn't the biggest and he didn't inherit it. world war ii had bigger deficits. he didn't really inherit it. he helped create it. 2009 was the first year in office and especially something he doesn't seem to want to remember, stimulus $8000 billion. >> paul: as a share of the economy it was 3.2%. it did balloon to 10.1% in 2009. i would give president bush some credit for that because in fac
obama will accept for the national debt. that was pointed out by steve croft and here is what the president had to say. >> i inherited the biggest deficit in our history. over the last four years, the deficit has gone up but 90% is a consequence of two wars that weren't paid for, as consequence of tax cuts that weren't paid for. a prescription drug plan that wasn't paid for and worst economic crisis since the great depression. that accounts for 10% for the increase in the deficit....
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is it because president obama is going over. gnc. >> he said yesterday and no other than nevada, and las vegas where he was four hours after the ambassador was killed. he got on the plane and did a campaign stop. >> steve: it is infuriating. >> gretchen: we had taken out a top al-qaida leader who was. i don't know if you can link it directly to osama bin laden. >> eric: we have taken out leaders over the last 11 years 9/11 they wanted to make a statement. >> steve: while the president can't push the economy but can push foreign affairs. different story from our commander in afghanistan and the guy who runs afghanistan as well despite what the president said about al-qaida, they have bad news. >> al-qaida has come back and a resilient organization. they are not here in large numbers . they don't have to be anymore in large numbers. >> the reason for nato invasion was terrorism . terrorism has not gone away. it has increased. >> steve: that is not helpful for the president and his men. look what he's doing with foreign policy. >>
is it because president obama is going over. gnc. >> he said yesterday and no other than nevada, and las vegas where he was four hours after the ambassador was killed. he got on the plane and did a campaign stop. >> steve: it is infuriating. >> gretchen: we had taken out a top al-qaida leader who was. i don't know if you can link it directly to osama bin laden. >> eric: we have taken out leaders over the last 11 years 9/11 they wanted to make a statement. >> steve:...
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mitt romney and obama appear about equal. they worry about people who stand behind the candidate at this obama rally they were seated behind the podium when a staffer came on stage and got some white people to move out. >> if you look for candidate for president, half will be men and half will be women. >> john: in this case the case will see some minorities behind obama. they'll be hers aj of blacks, asians. that is way you do it. >> i thought it just worked out that way. >> that is where you are sitting and where i'm sitting. >> john: what about kids. >>> kids i always like to use kids. i'm worried they are going to speak up. >> john: but for all the shallowness and dirtyness of politics there is in good news. a little help saving. for adding "& sons." for the dreamer, planning an early escape. for the mother of the bride. for whoever you are, for whatever you're trying to achieve, pnc has technology, guidance, and over 150 years of experience to help you get there. ♪ >>. >> john: splialts nasty business like a boxing mat
mitt romney and obama appear about equal. they worry about people who stand behind the candidate at this obama rally they were seated behind the podium when a staffer came on stage and got some white people to move out. >> if you look for candidate for president, half will be men and half will be women. >> john: in this case the case will see some minorities behind obama. they'll be hers aj of blacks, asians. that is way you do it. >> i thought it just worked out that way....
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obama or mr. romney. but they are very interested in this debate and i think a lot of people here in colorado will say, have your debate tonight, we'll make up our decision and then kind of leave us alone if you will. gregg: the university of colorado does something interesting every four years, they put together an economic model based on electoral stats and economic model state-by-state economic analysis. there it is on the screen. they predict mitt romney essentially in a blowout, 320 electoral votes to just 218 for president obama, i understand they going to update that now with more additional economic data in the month of september, but, wow, what about that? >> yeah, you know the republicans have done well as you mentioned in the past here in colorado, went for obama in 2008. but according to the research numbers, as you mentioned it could be a blowout. will that be the case? i just truly don't see in just talking from our audience on koa i don't see this will be a landslide either way. it's very t
obama or mr. romney. but they are very interested in this debate and i think a lot of people here in colorado will say, have your debate tonight, we'll make up our decision and then kind of leave us alone if you will. gregg: the university of colorado does something interesting every four years, they put together an economic model based on electoral stats and economic model state-by-state economic analysis. there it is on the screen. they predict mitt romney essentially in a blowout, 320...
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we thought obama had a teleprompter. obama just wasn't himself. i think he was himself. he didn't have a teleprompter and mitt romney was himself. this is the exact mitt romney that the media have not wanted us to see. >> where has he been up until now? >> buried in internet. the realization that the headline is the staying power of 47%. why is 47% staying because the media are putting it on every day. >> when president obama didn't mention that. he didn'ting on the five trillion dollar attack. he did nothing to come back at him. i have watched all these debates since clinton's first debate, i was in shock. >> loan why he didn't bring it up, it wasn't on the teleprompt. >> i agree what ellen was saying people said look after four years of press coverage he is not ready for tough questions or tough opportunity. >> it was just an attitude by obama of aloof disdain. it was supposed to be a strategy of not overly aggression but it felt terrible. >> jon: ellen had her theory about why the president came off why he did. on msnbc, michael dison claimed in his opinion that the p
we thought obama had a teleprompter. obama just wasn't himself. i think he was himself. he didn't have a teleprompter and mitt romney was himself. this is the exact mitt romney that the media have not wanted us to see. >> where has he been up until now? >> buried in internet. the realization that the headline is the staying power of 47%. why is 47% staying because the media are putting it on every day. >> when president obama didn't mention that. he didn'ting on the five...
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for obama, john kerry's plays romney. rob portman plays obama. >> you never see videotape of this, not even pictures. >> no. there's a reason why. you don't want to show those vulnerable moments. >> we don't want to give away any component to our prep. >> in the 2000 campaign, one of mckinnon's secretaries gave prep video to the gore campaign. >> gore campaign went straight to the fbi. >> what happened to her? >> she went to prison for a year. >> what's so secret? i pretended to be a candidate. limited government -- >> just limited government. what kind of limits are you talking about? can you be specific. >> yes, i can list cuts. >> would you cut defense? >> so you're soft on defense? >> i knew how i should answer the questions, but under pressure it's hard. i'm saying take it back to the clinton days. "instinct is to answer the questions that are asked, but consultants day don't. >> you're still answering my questions, but most of the time you want to be delivering your message. >> they say sarah palin was good at that.
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obama's record. and to the degree that it is about romney is he a credible alternative they now see it and i think it is probably because the polls indicate that this old argument isn't breaking through as a choice that you have is a choice between what they say is the obama record of greater dependency and greater economic stagnation and the romney plan which they say would create greater opportunity and greater growth. that is i think the line and the attack line that you are going to be hearing from romney on wednesday. >> shannon: and there was some as we have seen on both sides quite a bit in recent days managing of expectations for the debates not only at top of the ticket but also when ryan takes on the vice president. >> chris: i asked about that because, of course, this week this wednesday is the presidential debate but the next week i think it is 8 days later is the first and the only ryan/biden debate and i asked him about that and he started talking about what a great debater he was. i sa
obama's record. and to the degree that it is about romney is he a credible alternative they now see it and i think it is probably because the polls indicate that this old argument isn't breaking through as a choice that you have is a choice between what they say is the obama record of greater dependency and greater economic stagnation and the romney plan which they say would create greater opportunity and greater growth. that is i think the line and the attack line that you are going to be...
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going to vote for president obama. why is that? >> sure, most people are selfish, not singling out millennials. we tend to vote in our self-interest and tend to vote the occupy movement for more free crap not based on the constitutional parameters of government, but found principles, but what the government can give them and because they're voting that way, they're doing it wrong. >> clayton: so health care, number one, a lot of people saying in that age range of 26 years old now on their parents' health care plan because of obama care, you think that could be a big factor? >> and the way to buy someone's vote in the short-term. if you have zero self-respect it's nice to mooch off your parents until 26. after that when you pay your own way, health care costs have gone up over $4,000 and premiums up over 3%. a and they should know that it comes with a price tag. >> and social security. >> bottom out at 2035 and essentially unless birth rates rise dramatically and life expect tenancy shortens. >> clayton: and you tackle
going to vote for president obama. why is that? >> sure, most people are selfish, not singling out millennials. we tend to vote in our self-interest and tend to vote the occupy movement for more free crap not based on the constitutional parameters of government, but found principles, but what the government can give them and because they're voting that way, they're doing it wrong. >> clayton: so health care, number one, a lot of people saying in that age range of 26 years old now on...
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this is not just president obama. other presidents recently have just used focus groups to give these -- almost passive -- >> jamie: is their heart into it? when you watch the president and you watch governor romney? do you feel their heart is in it? do you feel like it goes over the heads of americans? are they paying attention? you set up a picture of people sitting in front of the radio, the whole family gathered together to watch and lich. i can't imagine a more important time than those times and the time we near. >> look at what kennedy was facing. he was facing a country that was completely divided over segregation. there were people that believed that segregation should continue. when he gave that speech, june 11, 1963, he made the decision -- and was this was a real political -- it was could have been a political disaster for him because he was giving up half of his party, there was going to be a crisis in the party. he was giving up the entire south because he thought it was more important than the country m
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obama will push him. he should. >> greg: mitt has to say why did you cancel pipeline with 8.2% unemployment? >> bob: i'll answer if that if you answer which loopholes you will cut? >> dana: there you go again. >> bob: simple question, what loopholes are you going to cut on wealthy people? coming up, president obama uses heavy, heavy hollywood hitters in a new ad. ♪ >> women will help decide this election. >> i find a champion in president obama. >> i'm standing few for future of my daughter -- standing up for future of my daughter. >> bob: i don't know who those women are, but andrea will let us know who they are. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. we'll be back here. ♪ ♪ 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> andrea: it's all hands on deck for the obama campaign. they want to make sure that favorability translates to votes on election day. especially with single women voters who historically don't turn out to vote. who better than to motivate t
obama will push him. he should. >> greg: mitt has to say why did you cancel pipeline with 8.2% unemployment? >> bob: i'll answer if that if you answer which loopholes you will cut? >> dana: there you go again. >> bob: simple question, what loopholes are you going to cut on wealthy people? coming up, president obama uses heavy, heavy hollywood hitters in a new ad. ♪ >> women will help decide this election. >> i find a champion in president obama. >>...
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blue, obama. then the pinkish lean romney. light blue, lean obama. then the yellow states are tossup states. within the margin of error. this is all based on the polls within the last 30 days. okay, karl, what has changed in the last week since we talked? >> we had 46 polls last week in 22 states. four states moved toward president obama and changed status. iowa, ohio, nevada, all battleground states moved from tossup to lean obama. montana moved from romney to lean romney. there were 11 other states then moved toward obama but had no change in status. there were five states that moved toward governor romney. but again had no change in status. >> joe, of those, what is most important? >> i mean the biggest thing is that shift in nevada and ohio. those two in particular. ohio, obviously, a big move. moving it to lean obama, it puts for the first time, i think since we started back in april, it puts obama with over the 270 electoral votes. we had that back then. it's coming clear today. that makes states like colorado even more important. and ohio stil
blue, obama. then the pinkish lean romney. light blue, lean obama. then the yellow states are tossup states. within the margin of error. this is all based on the polls within the last 30 days. okay, karl, what has changed in the last week since we talked? >> we had 46 polls last week in 22 states. four states moved toward president obama and changed status. iowa, ohio, nevada, all battleground states moved from tossup to lean obama. montana moved from romney to lean romney. there were 11...
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obama, or president obama get reelection? how you will foreign policy change? will he have to make a change? >> i think the president himself signaled what would happen in the famous open microphone conversation with the russian president and president obama said give me some space until after this pesky election and then i could be more flexible and while the subject there was missile defense, something i wouldn't be flexible on, i think it's a metaphor for the obama second term on national security more broadly and indeed, domestic policy as well. what you saw in the first four years, you're going to see doubled down in the second four years. >> ambassador john bolton. we appreciate your perspective sir on both candidates, good day to you. >> thank you. >>. >> jamie: honda is putting its old reliable, the legendary accord through a redesign, overhauling the model with upscale details and more engine options. gary gastelu takes it for a test drive in this week's car report. >> honda has been building cars in the united states for 30 years now, and to celebrate
obama, or president obama get reelection? how you will foreign policy change? will he have to make a change? >> i think the president himself signaled what would happen in the famous open microphone conversation with the russian president and president obama said give me some space until after this pesky election and then i could be more flexible and while the subject there was missile defense, something i wouldn't be flexible on, i think it's a metaphor for the obama second term on...
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how are we to interpret these two obamas? >> i really believe that this can be explained in a nutshell. to understand barack obama, one has to understand, he is a man of the left. leftism, as i wrote in my column is the most dynamic religion in the world, more than christianity, more dynamic than islam. his trinity. christians have the father, the son and the holy ghost. the left has race, gender class. that's how your kids will learn life in college. that's the prism through which he sees the world. he is honest to leftism. while there is demagoguery here, no question -- he is true to his faith. >> wlook, i'm a liberal democrat. the point is here -- not that he is left or right. the point here is that we know what he is in these tapes now. he revealed himself-- >>> was it the real obam in 2008 or this other -- >> oh, i wrote that piece in the "los angeles times," exposing his philly speech as being the race man. he focuses everything about race. [overlapping dialogue] >> that was also class. that's my point. >> sean: he is s
how are we to interpret these two obamas? >> i really believe that this can be explained in a nutshell. to understand barack obama, one has to understand, he is a man of the left. leftism, as i wrote in my column is the most dynamic religion in the world, more than christianity, more dynamic than islam. his trinity. christians have the father, the son and the holy ghost. the left has race, gender class. that's how your kids will learn life in college. that's the prism through which he...
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obama is denying it. he did receive intelligence about the attacks on our embassy three-days before. 50 days to the election time to get pumped mitt romney. go on. gas prices doubled under obama. your tweets are powerful get a lot of reaction. i often repeat. >> i have a million 500,000 people and i am going to have 2 million people very soon. >> why don't you start retwreeti -- retweeting me now. >> in the old days if i wanted to say something maybe i could go on a show with you. this whole idea with twitter it is incredible. people leave me alone a little bit more. we develop power. 9,000 papers a day. a million 5, can you believe that? >> it evens the scales a little bit. it is really good when you can do that. you do it straight and it's very important to say the correct thing. i want it to be safe and correct. >> for all of these people suffering now did you look at the world economy the emergence of china you said in 2016 is the worst economy. what is the worst you envision economically? >> there ar
obama is denying it. he did receive intelligence about the attacks on our embassy three-days before. 50 days to the election time to get pumped mitt romney. go on. gas prices doubled under obama. your tweets are powerful get a lot of reaction. i often repeat. >> i have a million 500,000 people and i am going to have 2 million people very soon. >> why don't you start retwreeti -- retweeting me now. >> in the old days if i wanted to say something maybe i could go on a show with...
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obama. if the economy remains bad and it does just check outearnings from ford and gm today, and america's overseas strategy is wobbling, which is seems to be, governor romney should have some heavy verbal ammunition to use in the debate tomorrow night. for his part, the president will remain steadfast that everything is going according to plan. >> four years ago i said i'd end the war in iraq, i did. i said we're going to wind down the war in afghanistan. we are. and while a twin tower -- while a new tower rises above the new york skyline, al-qaeda is on the path to defeat and osama bin laden is dead. >> bill: but according to the american commander in afghanistan, al-qaeda fighters are again causing trouble in that country and the terror group might even be responsible for murdering ambassador stevens. talking points believes many voters are still persuadable. that support for the president is thin among some independents. recent rasmussen poll says 42% of those backing the president are l
obama. if the economy remains bad and it does just check outearnings from ford and gm today, and america's overseas strategy is wobbling, which is seems to be, governor romney should have some heavy verbal ammunition to use in the debate tomorrow night. for his part, the president will remain steadfast that everything is going according to plan. >> four years ago i said i'd end the war in iraq, i did. i said we're going to wind down the war in afghanistan. we are. and while a twin tower...
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joining it's retrievable by obama. i don't think you get a second chance to make a first impression. and i think that romney really scored. i thought when he explained to people that tax cut on the rich would not be on the rich, it was a tax increase on the rich, it was a tax increase on small business employers and they employ 50% of the american workforce. by raising their taxes, you are undermining their ability to create be jos. that was brilliant. i thought that really, he took away, all kinds of arguments from obama. while obama can wait until the performance wears off and people forget how stumbling and hesitant and detached he was, what will remain is the ground that he ceded to romney. >> greta: i thought it was significant that 67 million people watched this, the largest number since i think 1992. chfts a measurement to -- which was a measurement to me of the enthusiasm for the election. i don't know which way it will fall. but it showed interest by the country. >> i think the same reason that they watched it
joining it's retrievable by obama. i don't think you get a second chance to make a first impression. and i think that romney really scored. i thought when he explained to people that tax cut on the rich would not be on the rich, it was a tax increase on the rich, it was a tax increase on small business employers and they employ 50% of the american workforce. by raising their taxes, you are undermining their ability to create be jos. that was brilliant. i thought that really, he took away, all...
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where obama been? quite a few times over the last year he has been on cbs "60 minutes." >> bob: yeah. >> kimberly: vegas, baby. >> eric: they didn't cover the story. pilot pulls a frank on the girlfriend tricking her to think the plane is going down. going to crash before proposing. would you marry this guy? we'll show you the tape. ♪ ♪ the capital one cash rewards card gives you a 50% annual bonus. and everyone, but her... likes 50% more cash. but, i have an idea. do you want a princess dress? yes how about some cupcakes? yes lollipop? yes! do you want an etch a sketch? yes! do you want 50% more cash? no you got talent. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card. with a 50% annual cash bonus it's the card for people who like more cash. what's in your wallet? i usually say that. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: welcome back to "the five." last night on "the factor" bill o'reilly had the observation about the american electorate. >> no one knows how many american voters are uninformed folks wh
where obama been? quite a few times over the last year he has been on cbs "60 minutes." >> bob: yeah. >> kimberly: vegas, baby. >> eric: they didn't cover the story. pilot pulls a frank on the girlfriend tricking her to think the plane is going down. going to crash before proposing. would you marry this guy? we'll show you the tape. ♪ ♪ the capital one cash rewards card gives you a 50% annual bonus. and everyone, but her... likes 50% more cash. but, i have an...
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democrats insist it is not president obama's fault. president obama's fault. who gets the blame for [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... ♪ atmix of energies.ve the world needs a broader that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the
democrats insist it is not president obama's fault. president obama's fault. who gets the blame for [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help. it's no wonder so...
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obama aides are trying to pin it all on mitt romney. believe it or not, they are accusing the governor of lying. of course, they are the ones that are. watch this. >> again and again and again, he told the story to the american people that is completely... in contrast with what he said before and unfounded in fact. and that's going to catch up with him. i give him credit for strong performance. i give him an "f" for being honest with the american people. >> sean: for 90 minutes, president obama lied about his record and president obama lied about what he would do in a second term. you want proof? here it is. >> if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth, the truth. >> the fact check. >> this claim is based on a fiscal fiction. >> the bipartisan nonprofit committee has called that a gimmick. the president is also counting on savings agreed to last year when the white house and congress agreed to raise the debt ceiling. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> mostly fiction. >
obama aides are trying to pin it all on mitt romney. believe it or not, they are accusing the governor of lying. of course, they are the ones that are. watch this. >> again and again and again, he told the story to the american people that is completely... in contrast with what he said before and unfounded in fact. and that's going to catch up with him. i give him credit for strong performance. i give him an "f" for being honest with the american people. >> sean: for 90...
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somehow obama is being protected. there are so many outlets for media and information for the american voters, it's no longer 1950. martha: what do you think, andrea. bob makes a good point. there are a lot of news outlets out there. people have a lot of choices: >> where do the broadcast networks get their news? they get their news from the "new york times" and the newspapers across the country which are mostly owned by the same media conglomerate. everyone from the buffalo news to the "chicago tribune." all of these editorial boards are editorializing on behalf of the president or not doing your job. in 2007 wee saw them drop the ball. they didn't bother to figure out who president obama really is. they didn't do the due diligence. they were too busy rooting through sarah palin's dumpster. how many more people need to die before the media starts to do their job and ask the tough questions. >> come on, andrea. that's going a step too far. >> it's not, bob, it's very serious. >> why didn't "wall street journal" do the
somehow obama is being protected. there are so many outlets for media and information for the american voters, it's no longer 1950. martha: what do you think, andrea. bob makes a good point. there are a lot of news outlets out there. people have a lot of choices: >> where do the broadcast networks get their news? they get their news from the "new york times" and the newspapers across the country which are mostly owned by the same media conglomerate. everyone from the buffalo...
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obama the president will not even use the word terror. he was before the united nations this week and gives a speech and talks about the hateful video six times and doesn't use the word terror. lit me finish the question. >> you know what -- >> in connection with the attack in benghazi. isn't that a little weak? >> but here is the thing. president obama he was president when we got bin laden. he has taken out the leadership of al-qaeda. >> judge jeanine: it doesent matter. he is admitting now that al-qaeda hit us in north africa. >> he is in campaign mode, everybody and he doesn't want by using the word terror it means we are not as safe as we were before 9/11 and he doesn't want to use it because he wants people to think we are still safe so he blames it on the film. how can you debate that? >> they talke talked about it n act of terror already. >> judge jeanine: why didn't he use the word terror at the united nations when talked about a hateful video? >> here is the thing what the republicans seem to like is that we thump our chests and
obama the president will not even use the word terror. he was before the united nations this week and gives a speech and talks about the hateful video six times and doesn't use the word terror. lit me finish the question. >> you know what -- >> in connection with the attack in benghazi. isn't that a little weak? >> but here is the thing. president obama he was president when we got bin laden. he has taken out the leadership of al-qaeda. >> judge jeanine: it doesent...
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he has to keep obama on defensive. you say 93 percent of the people say they will watch the debates. they written. most people will hear the one linears and the outtakes. they say they will watch, but they will listen to what the main treaty media has. >>guest: mitt romney will go on the defensive, but he does not like to be interrupted which we saw during the republican debates he gets wooden and all over the place. what is worse, though, after he is interrupted, when he starts or tries the zingers he has been practices. do we remember in the republicans debate when he decided to bet form the last minute, $10,000, that was an off the cuff bet if that will not help with middle class americans. >> if there are one liners, it has to do with the obama record. >>trace: there is new fallout from the deadly u.s. consulate attack in benghazi. g.o.p. lawmakers say the administration shot down requests for help as the security situation in libya spun out-of-control. more on that. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oa
he has to keep obama on defensive. you say 93 percent of the people say they will watch the debates. they written. most people will hear the one linears and the outtakes. they say they will watch, but they will listen to what the main treaty media has. >>guest: mitt romney will go on the defensive, but he does not like to be interrupted which we saw during the republican debates he gets wooden and all over the place. what is worse, though, after he is interrupted, when he starts or tries...
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obama. he tells bill o'reilly what mitt romney will need to do in order to come out on top tonight. listen to this. >> the burden in the debate is on the governor, or am i wrong? >> i think you are absolutely right. while the challenger gets elevated by being on the stage with the president clearly the president is on the mountain top. he won the last set of debates. there has to be a compelling reason for change. governor romney has the burden of proof. >> you prepped john mccain for his debate with barack obama. mccain held his own but didn't bring the debate to the president mccain never brought it to him. this guy doesn't know what he is talking about he is talking in generalities but that didn't get through to the electorate who liked obama and still likes obama. >> that is one of the reasons he has to go on offense. >> we will see tonight. coverage starts at 8:55 eastern time with megan kelly and bret baier. they will be live from denver. >> now test time for the 5@5:30. the accused fo
obama. he tells bill o'reilly what mitt romney will need to do in order to come out on top tonight. listen to this. >> the burden in the debate is on the governor, or am i wrong? >> i think you are absolutely right. while the challenger gets elevated by being on the stage with the president clearly the president is on the mountain top. he won the last set of debates. there has to be a compelling reason for change. governor romney has the burden of proof. >> you prepped john...
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for obama, john kerry's plays romney. rob portman plays obama. >> you never see videotape of this, not even pictures. >> no. there's a reason why. you don't want to show those vulnerable moments. >> we don't want to give away any component to our prep. >> in the 2000 campaign, one of mckinnon's secretaries gave prep video to the gore campaign. >> gore campaign went straight to the fbi. >> what happened to her? >> she went to prison for a year. >> what's so secret? i pretended to be a candidate. limited government -- >> just limited government. what kind of limits are you talking about? can you be specific. >> yes, i can list cuts. >> would you cut defense? >> so you're soft on defense? >> i knew how i should answer the questions, but under pressure it's hard. i'm saying take it back to the clinton days. "instinct is to answer the questions that are asked, but consultants day don't. >> you're still answering my questions, but most of the time you want to be delivering your message. >> they say sarah palin was good at that.
for obama, john kerry's plays romney. rob portman plays obama. >> you never see videotape of this, not even pictures. >> no. there's a reason why. you don't want to show those vulnerable moments. >> we don't want to give away any component to our prep. >> in the 2000 campaign, one of mckinnon's secretaries gave prep video to the gore campaign. >> gore campaign went straight to the fbi. >> what happened to her? >> she went to prison for a year. >>...
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and they're burning obama in effigy. doesn't he get what that means? they put up a huge paper machair images of monica lewinsky after clinton bombed an innocent pharmaceutical place, and now they're burning obama in effigy because he bragged they killed their hero. that was a series of lies. our seals did not shoot him in the face after shooting his 19-year-old wife in the leg in front of his children. he was shot in the doorway, and the pentagon gives out the real name, mark owens. >> there's lots to talk about, lots going on. en you're also concerned about the history of islam. i know that this is something you'll be following. we appreciate you joining us today. >> just let me show you one book out of 47 that i've read in the last 11 years, i was reading this book, jihad, when the towers were struck. and if we don't teach our kids about gettysburg, iwo jima and normandy how will we teach them about battles that all of europe would be islamic if we haven't won some of these battles. it's a history problem. >> congressman, thank you so much for joinin
and they're burning obama in effigy. doesn't he get what that means? they put up a huge paper machair images of monica lewinsky after clinton bombed an innocent pharmaceutical place, and now they're burning obama in effigy because he bragged they killed their hero. that was a series of lies. our seals did not shoot him in the face after shooting his 19-year-old wife in the leg in front of his children. he was shot in the doorway, and the pentagon gives out the real name, mark owens. >>...
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roll this. >> obama arrived in denver at 2:00 p.m. today, just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet -- >> exactly. >> and you only have a few hours to adjust. >> that is interesting. >> i don't know, maybe --. bill: did you hear that voice in the background, that's interesting? now, it is true, and it is factual he left vegas around 2:00 in the afternoon. but just on the face, what do you think of that? >> well that may be its effect on vice president gore. i think the president is in peek physical condition. i think he could probably handle 5,000 feet. this is why the president had a problem in the macro explanation, is, people like al gore, suck up to the president. every president lives in a world without pierce, is trapped in this world where nobody can tell him the truth because he is the only president. but i think president more than any other i have seen is surrounded by suck ups, people who reinforce his sense he is above all of this. i think valerie jarrett sa
roll this. >> obama arrived in denver at 2:00 p.m. today, just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet -- >> exactly. >> and you only have a few hours to adjust. >> that is interesting. >> i don't know, maybe --. bill: did you hear that voice in the background, that's interesting? now, it is true, and it is factual he left vegas around 2:00 in the afternoon. but just on the face, what do you think of...
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obama for all of these problem. he has tried his best. i don't think there is much any republican could have done that would have been much different. there is just not a huge amount of economics knows about how to deal with a financial catastrophe like we had in 2008. >> shannon: if that is the case what is the case for electing mitt romney over president obama if you say that president obama has made a good effort and nobody could have done any better? >> the case is i think mitt romney is a little more of a patriot and will handle foreign affairs and defense much better and i and i will say something hardly anybody says on the air any more. i'm very much prolife and i will always take the prolife candidate. >> shannon: foreign policy. how do you think a president romney would be different, better than president obama? >> i think after a clear terrorist al-qaeda inspired attack on the u.s. consulate that killed a u.s. ambassador he would not blame a filmmaker in cerritos, california. he would blame kade an al-qaede terrorists. i think h
obama for all of these problem. he has tried his best. i don't think there is much any republican could have done that would have been much different. there is just not a huge amount of economics knows about how to deal with a financial catastrophe like we had in 2008. >> shannon: if that is the case what is the case for electing mitt romney over president obama if you say that president obama has made a good effort and nobody could have done any better? >> the case is i think mitt...
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these are obama voters. two of them told me that they thought mitt romney showed gravatas, that he could be on the same stage with the president. nonetheless to be clear these obama voters said they were still likely to be with the president but they saw something new from mitt romney, a spark if you will. from the president what i saw just a moment ago was a president who seemed to realize that he had missed opportunities last night, that time after time when mitt romney punched him last night he did not counter punch, so he tried to do that today. take a listen to this. >> the man on stage last night, he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. and that is because he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. [cheers and applause] >> governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president you owe the american people the truth. >> reporter: now, for example, last night mitt
these are obama voters. two of them told me that they thought mitt romney showed gravatas, that he could be on the same stage with the president. nonetheless to be clear these obama voters said they were still likely to be with the president but they saw something new from mitt romney, a spark if you will. from the president what i saw just a moment ago was a president who seemed to realize that he had missed opportunities last night, that time after time when mitt romney punched him last night...
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if it's the combative and aggressive president obama. mitt romney could go toe to toe with him and punch for punch. it's it's 2008 rope-a-dope obama that dominated the debates back then governor romney has to be careful not to punch himself out early or commit any unforced errors. clearly articulate the choice between himself and president obama where he would take the country and where the president would here is ryan. >> he needs to give the american people the choice we are offering. that's what we are doing. we owe the country a very clear choice of a different future. we can either have a dynamic growing economy that produces opportunity or we can have a stagnant economy that fosters dependency. >> and this debate format is going to be different for the governor as well. out of 23 debates he has never, shep, had a one-on-one like he will on wednesday. >> shepard: while they are trying to lower expectations here some surrogates and some aren't. >> exactly. things are going pretty well in the expectations game. right up until governor
if it's the combative and aggressive president obama. mitt romney could go toe to toe with him and punch for punch. it's it's 2008 rope-a-dope obama that dominated the debates back then governor romney has to be careful not to punch himself out early or commit any unforced errors. clearly articulate the choice between himself and president obama where he would take the country and where the president would here is ryan. >> he needs to give the american people the choice we are offering....
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president obama says there is more to be done. governor romney says this is not what a real recovery looks like. the labor department reports the economy added a seasonally adjusted 114,000 jobs last month which brought down the jobless rate to an unexpected 7.8 percent. here is a look at the unemployment rate since 28 state. the gray area on the left is the president since the recession. the rate has not been this low sin the inauguration in january of 2009. of course, this could be a potential boost to the president's campaign. no incumbent since the great depression has beenwith unemplo8 percent. the president said the economy is moving forward and suggested governor romney's policies would spark another financial disaster. >> we made too much progress to return to the policies that led to the crisis in the first place. i cannot allow that to happen and i won't allow it. >>trace: governor romney downplayed the new jobs numbers. he wrote in a statement and i quote, "this is not what a real recovery looks like. we created fewer n
president obama says there is more to be done. governor romney says this is not what a real recovery looks like. the labor department reports the economy added a seasonally adjusted 114,000 jobs last month which brought down the jobless rate to an unexpected 7.8 percent. here is a look at the unemployment rate since 28 state. the gray area on the left is the president since the recession. the rate has not been this low sin the inauguration in january of 2009. of course, this could be a...
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gen sacky who is the spokes person for president obama trying to down play president obama's possible performance. saying he has a tendency to give long winded substantative answers comprehend they give us concrete answers. >> steve: last thing the obama people want is for the president to lecture mitt romney and united states of america. poem in the romney camp. usually the contender gets a bounce simply by being on the same stage that's what will happen to mitt romney tomorrow this is going to be part-two of our strategy where a lot of people have never seen mitt romney before. first roll out in the rnc. >> gretchen: people who watch honey booboo, don't know much about mitt romney. it is going to be a debate in the university of denver. brit hume had busies to say about bill oriley. >> look an incumben running with a record like this and the economy still in serious shape many people are predicting a new risession and all of the trouble he had over seas he ought to be in a lot of trouble it is surprising to many people he is ahead . we think that manage will happen. mitt romney is a
gen sacky who is the spokes person for president obama trying to down play president obama's possible performance. saying he has a tendency to give long winded substantative answers comprehend they give us concrete answers. >> steve: last thing the obama people want is for the president to lecture mitt romney and united states of america. poem in the romney camp. usually the contender gets a bounce simply by being on the same stage that's what will happen to mitt romney tomorrow this is...
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the problem was that obama won single women by 45 points,72-27. so single women are a critical voting bloc for president obama, and they are the basis for the war on women, for sandra fluke, for the life of julia. the question is, is that going to be enough to win him the white house again in november? jenna: so let's talk about those specific blocs and how you speak to them as a candidate. kimberly strases el of "the wall street journal" had an interesting article on this on friday, and she argued that it's not the democrats ea platform that's more attractive to women, it's that women appreciate that they're being spoken to directly. sabrina, do you think that's a problem that the gop has? >> yeah, i think there are a lot of women in the middle, um, who don't necessarily identify with that gender feminism and the pandering that's going on in the left, but they don't necessarily identify with the social conservativism of the right x. republicans are less comfortable sort of playing gender politics. the thing that we try to everyone ice at iwf is t
the problem was that obama won single women by 45 points,72-27. so single women are a critical voting bloc for president obama, and they are the basis for the war on women, for sandra fluke, for the life of julia. the question is, is that going to be enough to win him the white house again in november? jenna: so let's talk about those specific blocs and how you speak to them as a candidate. kimberly strases el of "the wall street journal" had an interesting article on this on friday,...
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four years ago, when john mcgain and barack obama had their first debate, obama was up 50-45 before the debate when it was said and done he was up 51-45. four years earlier when kerry and bush went at it, kerry won the first debate, no impact on the horse race numbers the only thing that changed this gives a good perspective, after kerry won the debate, kerry supporters said debates are really important. bush supporters said, not so much. >> gregg: i want to go back to what you pointed out. i remember it well the carter-reagan debate in 1980. democrats and carter had tried to portray ronald reagan as this crazy actor with dangerous views going to create armageddon in the cold war with the soviets. suddenly, america tens of millions of americans tuned into the debates and they said wait a minute, this guy is likeable, making a lot of sense -- >> charming, right. >> gregg: let's compare that to today. the president has been trying to, with attack ads demonize mitt romney as this sort of horrible businessman. might this debate be comeable? -- compareable? >> the debate in '80 was one week
four years ago, when john mcgain and barack obama had their first debate, obama was up 50-45 before the debate when it was said and done he was up 51-45. four years earlier when kerry and bush went at it, kerry won the first debate, no impact on the horse race numbers the only thing that changed this gives a good perspective, after kerry won the debate, kerry supporters said debates are really important. bush supporters said, not so much. >> gregg: i want to go back to what you pointed...